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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://rreynoso.com/blog/church/will-you-or-will-you-not/comment-page-1/#comment-2437</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 05:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Read it, get it, do it and you</description>
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		<title>By: Rey</title>
		<link>http://rreynoso.com/blog/church/will-you-or-will-you-not/comment-page-1/#comment-2433</link>
		<dc:creator>Rey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 01:33:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, Okay, I just read through that site and see that the CoC looks at the Bible more as an instruction book. Read it, get it, do it and you&#039;ll be all right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, Okay, I just read through that site and see that the CoC looks at the Bible more as an instruction book. Read it, get it, do it and you&#8217;ll be all right.</p>
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		<title>By: Rey</title>
		<link>http://rreynoso.com/blog/church/will-you-or-will-you-not/comment-page-1/#comment-2432</link>
		<dc:creator>Rey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 01:23:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So they&#039;re saying &quot;We can read it, We understand it, We should be able to do it but We don&#039;t because, you know: no one is perfect.&quot; Then they seem to ask forgiveness whereas others might say &quot;At least we tried and that has to count for something.&quot;

But that&#039;s where I get confused because a functional Pelagian sounds a whole lot like a person dealing with ethics (I know stealing is wrong, I understand the law but I don&#039;t do it when it&#039;s tax time because, you know: no one is perfect.) Pelagianism seems to allow an ultimate salvation with or without help from a god--and I&#039;m not sure anyone would go there.

But I gotta&#039; read your link to see if it addresses all this anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So they&#8217;re saying &#8220;We can read it, We understand it, We should be able to do it but We don&#8217;t because, you know: no one is perfect.&#8221; Then they seem to ask forgiveness whereas others might say &#8220;At least we tried and that has to count for something.&#8221;</p>
<p>But that&#8217;s where I get confused because a functional Pelagian sounds a whole lot like a person dealing with ethics (I know stealing is wrong, I understand the law but I don&#8217;t do it when it&#8217;s tax time because, you know: no one is perfect.) Pelagianism seems to allow an ultimate salvation with or without help from a god&#8211;and I&#8217;m not sure anyone would go there.</p>
<p>But I gotta&#8217; read your link to see if it addresses all this anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Feb 2007 22:11:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pelagian, eh? I&#039;ve heard a few rumors about the existence of this creature myself. But believe me, it&#039;s no myth. They actually do exist...

The traditional Church of Christ that I grew up in was functionally Pelagian - although they would never use that term and have probably never even heard of it. We believed that anyone(Christian or not) was capable of reading the Bible and understanding it. We also believed that everyone had the moral wherewithal to be capable of keeping the commands found in scripture.

So, the issue was never so much &lt;i&gt;ability&lt;/i&gt; as it was accurate knowledge. If you could know the right thing to do then you could(and should) do it. Now, that&#039;s not to say we thought we could be perfect. We did believe in forgiveness and frequently asked God to forgive us of any sin that we knowingly - and unknowingly - committed. This was to cover all the bases, so to speak.

We were very interested in patterns and were convinced that we alone knew God&#039;s approved pattern for New Testament worship. This kind of stuff was important because we needed accurate knowledge. Once we had the knowledge the doing was up to us in order to keep our salvation. And once you stopped doing the right things(e.g. going to church with the piano-loving Baptists down the way) then your salvation was in question.

I could go on but maybe this helps paint the picture. You might be interested in this web site :

http://www.cofcdilemma.org/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pelagian, eh? I&#8217;ve heard a few rumors about the existence of this creature myself. But believe me, it&#8217;s no myth. They actually do exist&#8230;</p>
<p>The traditional Church of Christ that I grew up in was functionally Pelagian &#8211; although they would never use that term and have probably never even heard of it. We believed that anyone(Christian or not) was capable of reading the Bible and understanding it. We also believed that everyone had the moral wherewithal to be capable of keeping the commands found in scripture.</p>
<p>So, the issue was never so much <i>ability</i> as it was accurate knowledge. If you could know the right thing to do then you could(and should) do it. Now, that&#8217;s not to say we thought we could be perfect. We did believe in forgiveness and frequently asked God to forgive us of any sin that we knowingly &#8211; and unknowingly &#8211; committed. This was to cover all the bases, so to speak.</p>
<p>We were very interested in patterns and were convinced that we alone knew God&#8217;s approved pattern for New Testament worship. This kind of stuff was important because we needed accurate knowledge. Once we had the knowledge the doing was up to us in order to keep our salvation. And once you stopped doing the right things(e.g. going to church with the piano-loving Baptists down the way) then your salvation was in question.</p>
<p>I could go on but maybe this helps paint the picture. You might be interested in this web site :</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cofcdilemma.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.cofcdilemma.org/</a></p>
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