{"id":245,"date":"2007-02-15T07:00:01","date_gmt":"2007-02-15T12:00:01","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/rreynoso.com\/blog\/archives\/245"},"modified":"2007-02-14T08:49:47","modified_gmt":"2007-02-14T13:49:47","slug":"will-you-or-will-you-not","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/rreynoso.com\/reysapoint\/church\/will-you-or-will-you-not\/","title":{"rendered":"Will You or Will You Not?"},"content":{"rendered":"

I heard some theologian guys saying that Pelagianism<\/a> is the natural belief system of men. No, I’m not talking about copying someone elses thoughts. Pelagius<\/a> (not a Sith Lord<\/a> either) believed that Jesus was a good example (whereas Adam was a bad example) to humanity and therefore humans have a responsibility to save themselves by doing good (which is carrying out God’s commandments). God could help people but really thought Pelagius, men and women have the free will and moral capacity to do it on their own.<\/p>\n

Thing is, I can see people saying “we have the ability to choose” and I can see people saying “Adam was a bad example and Jesus was a good example” but I can’t see many people, without reading the stuff, saying they had the will and moral capacity to keep the commandments of any god (Go hold the heavens on your shoulder<\/a>) and especially the Judeo-Christian God as clarified by Jesus.<\/p>\n

For instance, Jesus explained one of the commandments that spoke about committing adultery and said that if a man looks at a woman with lust, then he has committed adultery already. I don’t think anyone would naturally believe that they had the free will and moral ability to stop the lust in the mind (or elsewhere for that matter). Jesus furthered his point by pointing out one of the commandments that spoke about murder and then stated that if a man is angry at his brother, he’s committed murder already.<\/p>\n

In other words, the fact that Jesus is showing that our actions are just as messed up as our thought process seems to me that a person can’t automatically be a natural Pelagian (gessuhnteit) but rather have to be a circumstantial moralist which has nothing to do with God or Jesus’ example at all, but everything to do with ethics<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

I heard some theologian guys saying that Pelagianism is the natural belief system of men. No, I’m not talking about copying someone elses thoughts. Pelagius (not a Sith Lord either) believed that Jesus was a good example (whereas Adam was a bad example) to humanity and therefore humans have a responsibility to save themselves by […]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"ngg_post_thumbnail":0,"footnotes":""},"categories":[9,6],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-245","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-bible-archive","category-church"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/rreynoso.com\/reysapoint\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/245","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/rreynoso.com\/reysapoint\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/rreynoso.com\/reysapoint\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/rreynoso.com\/reysapoint\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/rreynoso.com\/reysapoint\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=245"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"http:\/\/rreynoso.com\/reysapoint\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/245\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/rreynoso.com\/reysapoint\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=245"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/rreynoso.com\/reysapoint\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=245"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/rreynoso.com\/reysapoint\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=245"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}